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Dasavatharam – thoughts

Posted by Sankar on June 14, 2008


I think the story and screenplay meant the movie to be a fast paced racy thriller, but it never seemed that way.

In one scene, Kamal talks about Chaos theory… but I felt that the movie itself was full of chaos. Too many people talking at the same time and this was not just once or twice…. all along the movie.

Asin had only one line in the entire movie… Perumalae. And she talked only if Kamal was talking to someone else trying to explain something. And this refers to the chaos I mentioned. And I still don’t understand the 12th century piece and how it fits into the movie. Maybe I missed something.

Overall, I felt that the screenplay had the burden of handling 10 characters and trying to fit them all together, but it could have and should have been done better.

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One Response to “Dasavatharam – thoughts”

  1. Sankar said

    Thanks to VV for forwarding this information he found on the web about the movie. Maybe one needs to read this a couple of times and then watch the movie again and maybe things could fall in place. But I still feel that too many people were talking at the same time throughout the movie. Sorry VV. I just couldn’t get over this. 🙂

    > Too many doubts about correlation of the movie, Chaos theory and
    Butterfly Effect have come into Picture….!!!
    > The movie clearly states about Chaos Theory and Butterfly Effect
    [Kamal says it in his Speech in the Movie ]
    >
    > The concept of “CHAOS THEORY” and “BUTTERFLY EFFECT”, by
    itself is a complex concept, which mainly highlights the happening of huge unimaginable things because of least probable things…!!!!
    >
    > Dasa although deals with these concept, but does not necessarily
    confuse anyone with it,,,, As i said earlier, its mainly “YOU”… that plays a factor in how the movie gets along with “YOU”.
    >
    > You have got to be Case 1 or Case 2 as i have said earlier in this
    entry,,, No use being Half Baked…..!!!!
    >
    > To just brief about these Concepts,
    >
    > Q: What is Chaotic System ?
    > A: Basically a chaotic system is one wherein long term predictions
    are impossible.Like for example,if I push a car, I know that it is going to move and it will continue to do so if I go on pushing it on and on.However,in a chaotic system,this situation cannot be predicted over a long period of time.
    > Weather for example is a chaotic system.No matter how good your
    instruments are,you simply cannot predict the weather with 100% accuracy over a long term basis and forecast it.
    >
    > Q: What is the Butterfly Effect ?
    > A: It is the most important component of a chaotic
    system.Basically,small perturbations results in amplifications which completely destroys the original nature of the system and makes prediction impossible.
    > If a butterfly flaps its wings in Africa,it could result in a cyclone
    in USA.(Mark the word COULD).A highly dumbed down explanation of the butterfly effect is in the film Anniyan,where Vikram’s sister dies because a liquor shop owner sells liquor on a dry day.
    >
    >
    > Q: OK, how does Dasa incorporate it ?
    > A: In essence,Dasa talks about 8 characters who are inconsequential
    as such,but are integrated in a larger picture.Without Bush,the plane would have been called back.Without Shinghen, Govind would be dead.Without the tsunami,the world would have been destroyed.Even Krishnaveni Patti plays a very important role.If she had not put the vial in the idol,maybe Govind would have recovered it then and there and a powerful weapon would have been unleashed.The very fact that it went into the idol meant that it was being accelerated to its destiny.Without Kaifulla Khan, Govind would have never escaped;the list simply goes on.
    >
    > Q:OK,so does the film talk about theism or atheism?
    > A:Neither.It talks about how humans drive the destiny of the world.
    >
    > ——————————————————————-
    >
    > The movie does Show ” A Butterfly ” flying accross the screen
    after the Tsunami Attcck, clearly indicating that the Tsunami is an Outcome of ” The Butterfly effect “.
    >
    >
    > ALSOOOOOOO……..
    >
    >
    > I said that the butterfly COULD cause a hurricane.That’s a huge
    probability. Would be a negligible probability. NOT a huge one. if that were true, we would have cyclones on an hourly basis as butterflies keep flitting all over Africa and u don’t have so many cyclones to account for a HUGE probability.
    > Chaos,relativity and quantum mechanics are so damn weird that you
    will think I am talking metaphysics and pseudoscience.
    >
    > Like for example,according to quantum mechanics,there is a finite
    probability that you will fall right through a solid chair.And it is a PROBABILITY.
    > Even 10 to the power -26 is finite .
    >
    > But yes, Quantum Mechanics does allow for weird situations.
    >
    >
    > THE CONNECTION !!!!!
    >
    >
    > Guys check this link for a clear and complete explanation
    >
    >
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect
    >
    > In the above links u can see that butterfly’s wings might create
    tiny changes in the atmosphere that may ultimately alter the path of a tornado or delay, accelerate or even prevent the occurrence of a tornado in a certain location..
    >
    > So in dasavatharam that idol thrown into sea in 12th century is the
    cause for tsunami…. so everything is interlinked .The wiki entry also says that chaos could play an important role in plate techtonics. Which means even the 12th century incident is connected.
    >
    > The 1st scene is perfectly connected to the climax, remember what
    Kamal says in the 1st scene, that he will not say “Om Nama Shivaya”
    , but Asin tells him to chant it , but still Kamal refuses , ( in this kamal in his story tries to tell that ) Nambi believes in his god more than anything, but Asin feels “Its ok if we change the god or chant other god’s name, its life thats most important.” Now if u see the climax its JUST OPPOSITE…. Kamal doesn’t believe in god much and values lives of people the most…. but Asin deeply believes in god and that too this dialogue comes when both Asin and Kamal’s hand is on the god which came from the sea , and it also means that they are getting united from the place they departed hundreds of years back ( Kamal and Asin).The connection between the 1st scene and the climax in the movie shows the generation circle combined with supernatural powers of GOD and destiny…..!!!
    >
    >
    > If you watch it closely u can also find another actor who has done
    double action other than Asin and Kamal.
    > Asin’s father Sahasranamam [12th Century], in the beginning he says
    to Nambi “Panchatchira manthirathai sollitu vaango mappillai” and at the End [After tsunami] he says “Avar enna jathiyo inga vaanga paati “.
    > Another Eg. of Chaos Theory and circle of life.
    >
    > JUST IMAGINE THE CHAOS THEORY IN A TAMIL FILM ??
    > WILL ANYONE HAVE THE GUTS TO HANDLE THIS KIND OF A SUBJECT IN A TAMIL
    FILM?
    >
    > ONLY KAMAL HAS THE GUTS…. U ROCK!!
    >
    >
    > FURTHER—–
    >
    >
    > Nambi explanation
    >
    > Okay, this is slightly outside the chaotic system driving the film as
    a whole.From what I could gather he says that this story is about ideologies like God,the madness surrounding such ideologies and decides to tell the story of the Shaivite-Vaishnavite conflict to show how people go crazy in the name of God as an example.
    >
    > As a loose end,it gets tied up in the end,when the Ranganathar idol
    is thrown out of the sea due to the tsunami which highlights the cyclic nature of life.Actually the Nambi character highlights both Chaos and Karma which I explained.That is the brilliance of this film,there is so much to see and understand.
    >
    > Another explanation(and this is slightly far fetched- as explained
    earlier) is that Govind is in fact the reincaranation of Nambi. As Nambi he couldn’t protect God and died in the name of God.In order to fulfill his Karma,he is reincarnated as Govind Ramasamy who ultimately saves the world from destruction.The idol in the end somewhat hints to this theory; his story began with the idol and it ends with the idol.
    > As far as the connection with Nambi character and events in 12th
    Century goes…
    > The connection is based on the “Butterfly effect “.
    >
    > When Govind and Andal goes to the bury the idol in the sands, Andal
    will stumble on a particular stone couple of times…This is the same stone as the one from 12th Century hen Kothai rips her Thaali and flings it at Kulothunga Chozan…it will end up hanging on the stone. So, the implied message here is Andal is Kothai reborn in the 21s century.
    > During the encounter with Santhana Bharathi in the sand quarry, it is
    repeat of the incident from 12th century. Instead of Kulothunga Chozhan, it is the Sand Mafia which tries to inflict damage on the land.
    > This movie is a brilliant juxtaposition of independent characters
    whose paths cross, if only briefly, which is stunning example of Chaos Theory.
    >
    > The idol that is drowned in the sea along with Rangarajan in 12th
    century by Chozha king results in a fault being developed at the bottom of the ocean and creates tremors more than 800 years later. These tremors result in the Tsunami. This again is a classic case of Butterfly Effect wherein a seemingly inconcsequential event (the drowing of the
    idol) saves Tamil Nadu from being wiped out off the face of the earth.
    >
    > But actually kamal has not left anything for our imagination…
    Explanation struck the right chord, Kamal does tell to Asin in a dialogue that idol which gets sunken back then gets struck between the tectonic plates under the sea and causes tsunami…
    > Many people missed this dialogue i guess. Kamal’s accent was so
    very perfect Tamil, that many people missed it…. Being perfect Is a Problem by Itself !!!
    >
    > Although the explanation is a least possible theory, that is what
    “Chaos Theory” And “Butterfly Effect” are all about.
    > Its not just the statue that caused the tsunami, but it just started
    a large chain of effects which kept multiplying exponentially and finally lead to it after 800 years….!!
    > Why just say this concept is perfectly illogical… it is possible…
    thats what i have been explaining all the while !!!
    >
    > The story line is that things going wrong are made to be right which
    involves many people and countries knowingly or unknowingly.
    >
    > Knowingly:
    >
    > -Bush, Manmohan Singh, Govindh, Fletcher, Balaram Naidu, Mallika
    Sherawath.
    >
    > Unknowingly:
    >
    > -Nambi’s drowning to death with the heavy statue causes simple
    changes to the seabed that causes a devastating tsunami 800 years later [Acc. to Chaos theor it is possible…. although it is least probable…
    It is possible.. so nothing TOTALLY WRONG About it ]
    > -Poovaragan(actually saved kamal unknowingly-when poovaragan enters
    kamal and asin were caught by those manal kollayargal.There poovaragan distracts the gang helping kamal to escape),
    > – Avatar Singh(gave way to Fletcher to escape in the airport
    unknowingly),
    > – Japanese(saved govind from fletcher,he knows he is saving but he
    doesnt know about the play and was there only for revenge),
    > – Kallifulla and family(saved govind unknowingly)……..
    > -Vincent is a dalit leader of a lower caste( the so called ) but
    saved an Iyengar Girl ……and at the end becomes the con of the Iyengar Paati !!
    > – If Shingen Narahashi’s sister was not killed, Fletcher could have
    killed govind and used the virus for wrong purpose..
    >
    > This is based on Chaos Theory..!!!!!
    >
    > It is marvellous that THALAIVAR Kamal has used such a device in
    Abhoorva Saghodhararghal, way back in 1989. To kill Delhi Ganesh, for those of you who do not remember… yet another Eg. of Chaos Theory And butterfly Effect !
    >
    > The plot concept of Dasavadhaaram is logically explained by a machine
    used by Him in His own screenplay back then too, before 20 Years!! Be it a coincidence, or He possibly had that in mind as an inspiration, it amazes me!!

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